25-10-2010, 07:00 PM
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does the end justify the means.
While I might just see their cause as just I think they should have had longer sentences because of the levels they sunk to.http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...f_Intimidation
25-10-2010, 07:14 PM
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Re: does the end justify the means.
No Galty, I do not think their means were justified - they didn't put a stop to the animal testing did they? so they did not have a successful outcome to their campaign of hatred, violence, blackmail and evil, vicious behaviour. Perhaps the subject of animal testing rights, wrongs, etc. is a subject for a debate.
25-10-2010, 07:24 PM
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Re: does the end justify the means.
Jail them for a short term would be my view and then spend the money that it would cost to keep them in longer on a mix of public education and the concept of peaceful campaigning.This issue is close to my heart because 30 years ago I was awarded a PhD-for what?? Killing a load of rats that I had pumped full of drugs before disposing of them?
My dream is that all the rubbish is stopped and soon there will be in vitro ways that will avoid abusing animals.
But science goes on-it`s a hard fact to swallow. Stop the rubbish and focus on means not involving animals-even a rat(I see them around my compost bin and still ask to be forgiven)
25-10-2010, 07:45 PM
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Re: does the end justify the means.
You get a slap on the wrist for running someone over and killing them. You might get a few months for manslaughter. A few years for murder...but SIX YEARS for writing letters, spraypainting roads and spreading rumours?
Ain`t it great to know we have such a politically impartial judiciary... not.
26-10-2010, 08:18 AM
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Re: does the end justify the means.
I have nothing but opprobrium for militant animal rights activists!
Without experiments on animals we would not have the medications we have today. Obviously they should be done as humanely as possible, but until other more effective methods are found on which to test medicines then animal testing must go on. I do though draw the line at testing cosmetics on animals, which aren't necessary to our health, they should be tested on human volunteers.
26-10-2010, 02:05 PM
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Re: does the end justify the means.
I haven't followed that case, but as an animal lover I do get very very very angry about the way animals are treated. They are 'tortured' - and while medicine is one side and some might argue for a greater good, it's for things like cosmetics that really gets to me!26-10-2010, 02:41 PM
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Re: does the end justify the means.
Originally Posted by Dancingsky
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I have nothing but opprobrium for militant animal rights activists! Without experiments on animals we would not have the medications we have today. Obviously they should be done as humanely as possible, but until other more effective methods are found on which to test medicines then animal testing must go on. I do though draw the line at testing cosmetics on animals, which aren't necessary to our health, they should be tested on human volunteers.
I do hope things have changed since I was involved-I used to gas rats I had finished with-then one day I woke up and thought this is no better than Auschwitz, get away, sod the offer of post Doc at Cambridge, it`s all bollux.
My only defence is that I was younger then and seduced by an offer to go on for a PhD
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