26-09-2018, 05:45 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
Originally Posted by itsme
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We are not suggesting that the Conservatives wouldn't do the same if the boot was on the other foot are we? Surely not.
26-09-2018, 05:58 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
Originally Posted by itsme
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We are not suggesting that the Conservatives wouldn't do the same if the boot was on the other foot are we? Surely not.
As you know I voted remain, but labour's strategy is pure madness.
26-09-2018, 06:11 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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In such a situation as Brexit where labour voters are just as divided as tories, they should not be using the referendum result as a vehicle. They will only alienate their own voters, even though it may be a way to topple Corbyn. I was surprised that they were all agreeing to this yesterday. It's like they will do anything to try to get into power, weakening the government and putting our future at risk is of no consequence to them. As you know I voted remain, but labour's strategy is pure madness.
02-10-2018, 08:59 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
Perhaps I don't understand the UK situation correctly. In the netherlands referenda were abolished after it became more and more clear the were no addition to governmental ruling. In a democracy the chosen government rules in the common public interest. So, in theorie, decisions made should be more or less independent of the political colour. The uktimate goals are the same, the way to achieve them may differ. I agree this is a very optimistic vision, but if you believe in democracy.......As I understand it the brexit referendum was a consultative one. Your govenrment could have said "thanks for the advice, we will take it in due consideration". Independent of the outcome, any decision on leaving or not could have been made. The voice of the people was heard.
Observing the political turmoil, both in the UK and far abroad, wouldn't it be an elegant solution to have another referendum. Binding if you like. Now, after 2 years, the voters are broader informed and can make a more considered choice.
Depending on the outcome May looses her support for further negotiations and can bow out gracefully. Or she is backed by a clear majority of the voters, and achieves a better position for negotiating a brexit deal.
02-10-2018, 09:20 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Observing the political turmoil, both in the UK and far abroad, wouldn't it be an elegant solution to have another referendum. Binding if you like. Now, after 2 years, the voters are broader informed and can make a more considered choice.
Depending on the outcome May looses her support for further negotiations and can bow out gracefully. Or she is backed by a clear majority of the voters, and achieves a better position for negotiating a brexit deal.
02-10-2018, 09:28 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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It would be about as elegant as a goose going for a stroll.... the whole situation is a car crash created by Cameron who cooked his own goose.
02-10-2018, 10:27 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Perhaps I don't understand the UK situation correctly. In the netherlands referenda were abolished after it became more and more clear the were no addition to governmental ruling.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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In a democracy the chosen government rules in the common public interest.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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As I understand it the brexit referendum was a consultative one. Your govenrment could have said "thanks for the advice, we will take it in due consideration". Independent of the outcome, any decision on leaving or not could have been made. The voice of the people was heard.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Observing the political turmoil, both in the UK and far abroad, wouldn't it be an elegant solution to have another referendum. Binding if you like. Now, after 2 years, the voters are broader informed and can make a more considered choice.
And if the outcome isn't what is wanted, best of three, best of five, best of seven, etc, until we vote to remain in your wonderful dictatorship?
02-10-2018, 11:18 PM
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Re: Utter Humiliation for Theresa May!
In the present economic constellation there are only a few major players: USA, China, (Russia), EU. It's the EU that is able to negotiatiate profitable deals (for its members). The BNP of the UK is little more than 1% of the EU's total BNP. After brexit the UK will be a fair player, I'm sure, but what kind of player bugetwise will it be?|
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